How to Take Off Windows and Doors

Counting openings is easy. Pricing them is not

Windows and doors look like the simplest line on any estimate. There are eight of them, they are on the drawing, you count them and multiply by a price. That confidence lasts until the first quote comes back with a different number for every unit and a separate schedule for the extras.

The reason is that an opening is not a product, it is a specification. Frame material, glazing, thermal rating, opening method, ironmongery, finish, and the way it is fixed into the wall all change the price. Two windows of identical size can differ by a factor of three on specification alone.

So the takeoff has two halves. The first is a schedule of openings with every attribute recorded. The second is the fixing and finishing work around them, which is where builders lose money.

Build a schedule, not a count

A window and door schedule is a table with one row per opening and enough columns to price it:

Filling that table takes an hour on a small house and it turns a vague request into a comparable quote. It is also the document that protects both sides when a delivery arrives wrong.

Measure the structural opening, not the glass

There are three dimensions that matter and they are not the same number:

Frame size is typically 10 to 20 mm smaller than the structural opening in each direction, and the gap is taken up by packers, foam, and a sealant or a bead. On a replacement into an existing opening, the surveyor will measure the opening and the new frame will be made to suit.

The estimating point is that glass area, frame size and opening size all appear on the quote in different places, and a client comparing quotes on glass area is comparing something that is not what they are paying for.

Glazing: where the specification hides

A double glazed unit is not a commodity. The price moves with:

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ElementEffect on price
Double to triple glazing25 to 45 percent more
Low emissivity coatingSmall increase, large performance gain
Argon or krypton fillSmall increase
Laminated glass15 to 30 percent more
Toughened glass where required10 to 20 percent more
Acoustic laminate25 to 40 percent more

Safety glazing is the one item that is not optional and is often missed. Any glazing below 800 mm from the floor, in a door, or in a door side panel must generally be safety glass. On a schedule of ten windows, two or three will usually fall into that category, and the difference in price per unit is real.

Doors are two products, not one

A door is a leaf plus a frame plus ironmongery plus a wall opening, and internal and external doors have almost nothing in common.

Internal doors: leaf, lining, architrave, hinges, latch, handles. Counted as units, with the linings and architraves measured in linear metres. A standard lining is a set; architrave is 5.5 m per door on both sides.

External doors: a door set with a threshold, a weather seal, a locking system, and usually a thermal rating. A composite or aluminium entrance door costs several times an internal leaf, and it needs a correctly drained threshold detail.

Fire doors: a certified door set with intumescent seals, a closer, and often a specified frame. A fire door is not a door with a sticker, and substituting a standard set is a compliance failure that a building inspector will find.

The fixing and finishing work nobody quotes

The window supplier quotes a window. The builder has to put it in, and that work is a set of lines that appear on no window quote:

On a full replacement of eight windows in a rendered house, the making good and decoration can easily be 40 percent of the installed cost. A client comparing a window quote with an installed price is comparing a product with a project.

A worked example

Six windows and two doors on a two storey house, PVC-U casements, replacing existing in the same openings:

The windows themselves might be the smaller half of the total. The scaffold, the removal, the render repairs and the decorating are the rest, and they belong in the same estimate even if they sit in different trades.

Thermal performance and the compliance trap

Replacement glazing usually has to meet a thermal performance standard, expressed as a U value or a window energy rating. The requirement varies by country and by whether the work is a replacement, an extension or new build.

Two practical consequences. The specified glazing may be more expensive than the cheapest compliant unit, so a quote built on the lowest specification may fail inspection. And whole house calculations, where a designer has traded glazing performance against wall insulation, mean changing one window can affect the compliance of the whole dwelling.

An estimator who ignores the compliance requirement produces a competitive price that cannot be built. It is worth asking for the specification number before pricing.

Productivity, and why fitting is slower than it looks

A two person team fits 4 to 6 windows a day in existing openings with the making good done as they go, and 8 to 12 in new build where the openings are prepared and the reveal work is left to the plasterer.

The difference is entirely in the existing fabric. An old opening is never square, the old frame is often fixed with something unexpected, and the reveal may be damaged once the old unit comes out. On older properties, allow half a day per window rather than the new build rate, and say so in the price.

Blinds, curtains and the reveal you forgot

A window is not finished when the frame is in. The reveal depth decides whether a blind fits inside the recess, whether a curtain can hang beside the frame, and whether a radiator still has space.

On a replacement where the new frame is thicker than the old one, the reveal becomes shallower. A blind that fitted before no longer does, and a client who was not warned has a legitimate complaint about a window that has technically worked perfectly.

Worth mentioning at survey and quoting as an option: integrated blinds inside the sealed unit, which cost more up front and avoid the problem entirely in a bathroom or a kitchen where the glass is often wet.

Common errors

  1. Counting openings without a specification, so the price is a guess
  2. Forgetting safety glazing where required
  3. No allowance for removal and disposal
  4. Missing the reveal make good on a replacement
  5. No scaffold or access line for upper floors
  6. Architraves and linings not measured separately
  7. Fire doors specified as standard doors
  8. Thresholds and drainage on external doors not detailed

Ordering, lead times and the risk of a late survey

Windows are made to measure and cannot be returned. That combination, made to order plus non returnable, is the reason the survey is the most important appointment on the job.

Two habits protect the estimate. First, the survey happens after the openings are formed and before any plastering, because an opening measured from a drawing is a guess and a guess that arrives wrong is a four week delay and a full replacement. Second, the survey notes the structural opening, the reveal depth, the sill height and the wall construction in one go, so the fixing method and the cavity closer are decided before manufacture rather than on the day of installation.

Lead times of four to eight weeks are normal for made to measure units. On a programme where the windows are on the critical path, that lead time is the programme. Ordering late is not a risk of extra cost, it is a certainty of a delayed handover.

Ventilation, and the detail that gets missed on airtight houses

A modern window has a seal, and a sealed house needs ventilation. Trickle vents, or a whole house ventilation system, are a requirement in many jurisdictions for replacement and new glazing, and they are easy to overlook when a quote is being compared on price per unit.

The cost is modest and the consequence of omitting it is condensation and a failed inspection. On a house that is being made more airtight by other work, glazing replacement is the moment to decide how the building breathes, because the window is where the old house used to leak.

Where the money and the complaints both come from

Two items generate most of the after sales work on glazing: condensation between the panes and problems with the door furniture. The first is a failed seal, usually covered by warranty if it is inside the sealed unit and not at its edge. The second is usually installation or adjustment rather than the product.

Neither is a quantity problem, but both are worth mentioning when you hand over, because a client who understands that a sealed unit can fail in year eight, and that it will be replaced under warranty rather than sold to them again, is a client who does not spend the next five years telling people the windows are faulty.

Frequently asked questions

How do I compare window quotes? By unit, on identical specification: frame material, glazing build up, U value, ironmongery and whether removal and making good are included.

What is the difference between structural opening and frame size? The structural opening is the hole in the wall. The frame is 10 to 20 mm smaller in each direction, with the gap sealed.

Do I need safety glass? In most jurisdictions, yes, for glazing below 800 mm from the floor, in doors and in side panels next to doors.

How long does a window replacement take? Four to six per day for a two person team in existing openings, with making good included.

Are fire doors different from normal doors? Yes. A certified door set with intumescent seals, a closer and a compliant frame. Substituting a standard door fails inspection.

Should I replace frames or just the glass? Replacing the glass only is cheaper and does not fix thermal bridging, draughts or failed hardware. On a house older than 25 years, a full replacement is usually the better value.

Estimate the whole opening in FRELUX

The FRELUX window and door calculator takes a schedule of openings, applies glazing and ironmongery options, and adds removal, making good and access, so the price covers the opening rather than the product alone.

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